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Grj · Mar 19, 2009, 01:36 PM // 13:36

It's amazing how people start "caring" about the "economy" when their zKeys start to fall in price. The XTH has been on going for quite some time and now people start pointing out its a problem now? LOL

I also like how'd anet said they refuse to sell rewards/gold on the online store but they're more then happy for people to aquire more accounts to get gold via the XTH

What they trying to do ease people into selling this via the store slowly via the backdoor?

makosi · Mar 19, 2009, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by stanzhao

i dont understand your point. people were rich before z-keys were introduced...

I think the point is clear. More real world money can give more in-game money.

Lourens · Mar 19, 2009, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

Remove it entirely.

I Agree on that

Dr.Jones · Mar 19, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

my thoughts are as follows eather remove it completly and remove reward points.

or change it so you get reward points for wining halls wining 5 games of ra/ta and winning jq and fa and ab. and remove the 5rp=1zkey

Or just remove the 5 Rp= 1zkey, and change the armor and skin system for pvp toons so they unlock it useing reward points. also change it so if you buy the a eite armor set for a sin then it unlocks it for any pvp sin you make.

the last of the options i think would server as the best solution.

Martin Alvito · Mar 20, 2009, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by NuclearSlug

Perhaps you should look into taking an economics class. If you did, you'd know that new money is created every day. Every time someone gets a home loan, that money is created virtually out of thin air. Sounds crazy, but it works. The distribution of Z Keys is a very similar concept. While it does change the value of certain items, it does keeps the economy moving.

Perhaps YOU should take more than one economics class.

Banks must have money to lend it. (They also must have solvent balance sheets, but that's a separate lecture.) Central banks determine how much money is available in the system by selling and purchasing government bonds. Money is created when banks loan money, but they have to meet certain reserve requirements. The upshot is that the central bank can control the amount of available money in the system by controlling the amount of reserves available to the banks.

If the government starts printing money and buying government bonds with the printed money, it releases more money into the system and devalues existing currency.

Creating a brand new source of Zkey drops not associated with Balth faction is analogous to running the printing presses.

In this case, the printing presses are privately held. There are property rights associated with who gets the money: the distribution is given on a per account basis. People who buy lots of accounts get money. Everyone that does not buy tons of accounts loses, because they are doing more poorly relative to how they were doing in the absence of XTH. Nominal prices increase as a result of the printing of "money".

Good luck in your undergraduate classes.

Ate of DK · Mar 20, 2009, 01:58 AM // 01:58

I'm no fan of the XTH. Offcourse I like some free keys but I don't see why you should be largely rewarded for not playing. But more important, the system hasn't worked properly one month? Everywhere people receive no rewards, false amounts and even rewards when they don't even know where to find the XTH... so yeah. As long as it's not 100% accurate they should close it and fix it.

On the other side; I can see why Anet does this. In some stores GW can be picked up for €10,00. Cheap enough for some hardcore junkies to buy them and get extra Zaishen Keys each month. And also the cheapest way to have enough storage and store anything. Easy with GWx2 to move your stuff. They are laughing because they earn money without adding playable content to the game...

Ate

Rhamia Darigaz · Mar 20, 2009, 02:52 AM // 02:52

mATs are the things that give me free zkeys right?
i think they should stay so i can save up for chaos gloves :-)

snaek · Mar 20, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by makosi

This means that the 15 year-old school kid can't compete with Mr. Thirty-something who makes custom rigs for Dell for a living.

except that the 15 year old can spend 8 hours a day farming in gw, while the 30 year old can only spend 2 hours every other day completing normal mode missions.

(im not pro-xth btw...just thought i'd point that out)

Angelica · Mar 20, 2009, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I disagree keep it - :P

I like the free Zkeys........and opening the chest even if it gives me only crap items, I always hope for one good drop and it's fun, fun, fun!

Not everybody is selling the Zkeys or after a titles and not everyone is posting/visiting this forum to exspress their opinions!

Why is it that people start to complain every time something is free or is fun to play?

Please stop complaining GW is a game and it should give you enjoyment not frustration!

Live and let live for once!

germanturkey · Mar 20, 2009, 03:18 AM // 03:18

i would say no.. i just checked this month and i got 105 points. mmm. virtual money.

T1Cybernetic · Mar 20, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I dont see any problems with it

other than the fact that the tournament house is always broken in some way it does add +1 feature to the game.

The tournament points are great to have (if you have/get any)

It is not hurting anything? and it's not exactly game breaking? just a bit of friendly fun (some people take it too serious) but thats their problem not ours.
It also keeps people trading in the form of (character/account titles zkeys + tonics + weapons + alcohol + sweets + upgrades & tomes etc) did i miss anything

On the other hand there is a load of people (including me) forget to vote each month, It's frustrating but thats another story...

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Ps,
Look there is only two (2) smilies in my post.......

zwei2stein · Mar 20, 2009, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by T1Cybernetic

On the other hand there is a load of people (including me) forget to vote each month, It's frustrating but that's another story...

That's easily solved: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308569 You know what to schedule, right?

Sir Skullcrasher · Mar 20, 2009, 04:35 PM // 16:35

I say keep XTH. I like the free keys and it give me some decent items per months (usually put on my heroes)

Ate of DK · Mar 20, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

I say keep XTH. I like the free keys and it give me some decent items per months (usually put on my heroes)

I rather earn those items with actual playing.

It's sad that those who buy multiple accounts get rewarded with ingame wealth. I hope those Zaishen Keys are at a 1K trading value very soon.

Striken7 · Mar 20, 2009, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

Virtual wealth is serious business!

It's sad that some people actually take this stuff so seriously - including those who buy extra accounts just for Z-keys. People on both sides of this ridiculous, pointless argument, need to get some perspective and fresh air then calm down.

The XTH has been implemented for a long time, and is available as well as completely optional to everyone. Removing it "just because", would be a waste of time and resources for Anet as well as a disservice to those players who enjoy it. Those who don't, don't need to bother with it.

Now go outside.

Dreikki · Mar 20, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I've been playing since the beginning and I worked really hard to get my money.

Sure I love free stuff, but I don't think beginners need to work for enough in order to earn money the way pre-XTH players had to.

Red Sonya · Mar 20, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Well yes remove XTH as well as 55 monks and solo sins an anyone else who can solo or two people group to get stuff. Or else keep the drops waaaaaay low for solo and anything other than 6+ in a group. Have more drops for grouping and much much less for soloing. BUT! Allow Heroes/Henchies to count as the group total, but, take away the ability to send them packing clear across the map so someone can get all the loot.

lord of all tyria · Mar 20, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

I like it because I don't care about what everyone else does to get keys, I like my shiny pver emote.

doomfodder · Mar 20, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

sure would B nice to have a 2x zkey reward weekend soon = 2 zkeys for 5k balth! That might actually drive down the price of zkeys for a weekend. Fret not, the zkey market price will rebound as soon as the weekend ends.

Besides, mayB oodles of players would try PvP that weekend. The JQ wait might go up from an average of 11 to 30 timer cycles just to get in (on the kurz side), HoH might spill over in to american districts, TA might actually accept unranked players in PUG...

Everyone knows we NEED a new "economic stimulus package" in GW anyway right?

I've resigned myself to the fact that 'm just not rich enough to buy the zaishen title - and never will be. Still tryin to get enough funds to buy the booze, sweets, & party titles atm....

Boneyard Spleeneater · Mar 21, 2009, 05:13 AM // 05:13

My $.02

For my first actual working prediction (tried a couple times but couldn't make it work, probably due to browser issues), I won 55 points. That is 11 Zkeys.

I can earn 6k Faction a day farming Elite, which takes me around 20 minutes or so. In thirty days, that would be 180k Faction, which I could redeem for 36 Keys.

So I would posit that XTH doesn't really add anything to the game that can't already be gotten through normal play.

If I sign up two of my three mule accounts, I could acquire exactly the same amount of keys and spend that twenty minutes a day actually playing the game, or earning faction to unlock skills.

I could also farm every day and earn twice as many keys, but I can never remember to farm anyway, and the only time I do is when I want to unlock something, or when I can't decide which toon to play (which is how I got the first few keys in my inventory).

So I say leave the XTH. Perhaps adjust the rewards a bit. Let folks earn themselves some free keys. Maybe they can adjust the chest to drop only Partys, Drunks, Sweets, and Tonics. The last thing I want is another thing I have to actually grind. I don't get to play every day as it is, and I would rather not spend that time farming faction for keys.

Let us sell or use them as we will, and just play the game.